Jun 19, 2016

Yes sir you win, was wondering if anyone would pick up on it

 

Jun 19, 2016

No, all the songs have a theme to it, and they all correspond to the concept of 'Relapse' as the return of the character Slim Shady. You need to look up what concept album means.

 

Jun 19, 2016

I don't mean to sound like everyone else shi--ing on post hiatus Eminem but slim shady isn't an Arabian r--ist that said I do like relapse and don't think it's bad

 

Jun 19, 2016

im not saying it's bad or good, but that idiot up there said that 'Bad Guy' was his first post hiatus concept song, which is just wrong. The idea behind it was conceptual. About the antithesis of the human conscience 'Slim Shady' and about how drugs have been influencing his mind before the relapse. It's conceptual.

 

Jun 19, 2016

I wouldn't call anything on a relapse a concept song just songs with themes or maybe theres not a difference between the two and I'm an idiot

 

Jun 19, 2016

Ahh, we're getting somewhere.

 

Jun 19, 2016

Wicked Ways flow is great. Not keen on the hook though, not sure why he can't do that himself.

 

Jun 20, 2016

I keep coming back to this thread and see more people posting praise about the album, butttttt it's not happening lmao.

 

Jun 21, 2016

Now I'm reminded why I hate debating with Eminem fans. Christ... They make up any excuse to defend him.

I have no bias against Eminem. I don't hate on the dude for no reason. When he makes a great song, I praise it. When he makes s--- music, I trash it.

I know there's a lot of posters who trash everything he makes, but I don't.

I actually LIKE Bad Guy. I just don't think it's as good as Stan lol. I don't nitpick it until someone says something as stupid as saying "Bad Guy > Stan". Then I'll bring up little things I hate about the song. Otherwise, it's a great post-hiatus song by Eminem.

On Headlights, I don't care what his purpose was for having a fast flow, then stopping all of a sudden. It sounds sloppy. Any other rapper would get crucified for it, or get looked over. He sacrificed his flow for syllable patterns, which he does too much lately. It ruins the sound of his music.

If you start making excuses for things like this, you can basically make a case for any random rapper to flow awful. I criticized rappers like Immortal Technique for the same s---, he'll ramble on and his song will SOUND bad because he doesn't ride the beat well, even if his lyrics are great.

Do I like Headlights? Yeah, it was a strong song. But it's not better than Cleaning out my Closet, or even My Mom.

Want a great example of an amazing flow by Eminem?



He rides this beat perfect, he has great cadence and natural energy. There is nothing forced about this verse or flow. It sounds natural.

God, do you guys know what a conceptual album is? You guys are talking about themes or tones, not concepts.

Listen to Black Trash by Sticky Fingaz. THAT'S a conceptual album. It's played out like a movie, with skits in between each song, and each song has a concept that follows the story he's telling. He never breaks the concept that he built. It's rolled out like a movie.

Listen to ATLiens, which has a re-occuring theme. It tells various stories, but always ties in to Outkast feeling like an Outcast, an alien from pop culture.

Conceptual albums are RARE, because they're extremely hard to pull off. That's why it's insulting that you guys call Relapse a conceptual album. It's flat out NOT.

Conceptual songs are: Guilty Conscience (Eminem), Damien or the Convo (DMX), 24 Hours to Live (Mase), Rewind, I gave U power (Nas), State vs Kirk Jones or Money Talks (Sticky Fingaz), Me and My Girlfriend (2Pac), Put You on Game (Lupe), I Used To Love H.E.R (Common). Just some examples.

Stop trying to redefine aspects of hip hop to fit your argument for Eminem.

 

Jun 21, 2016

That's what's hilarious about this.

 

Jun 21, 2016

Exactly. I don't think he's as wack as everyone on here makes him out to be. He's a pretty solid MC, that gets nitpicked to death on here. But, at the same time, he gets praised beyond what he is, at this point.

Like I see people slam the song Legacy, but aside from the 3rd verse, it was a real good song. Same thing when people slammed "Airplanes" for the "alien" line, I thought it was a real good verse.

But, if someone starts saying "Legacy> Brain Damage" or "Airplanes verse > Watch Dees" I'll nitpick the f--- out of those songs/verses.

 

Jun 21, 2016

what you think of evil twin or brainless?

 

Jun 21, 2016

EXACTLY.

 

Jun 21, 2016

that flow seemed pretty natural imo

 

Jun 21, 2016

I liked Brainless a lot. Solid flow all the way through, pretty natural, solid lyrics. The only time where his flow really breaks is at the end of the third verse, but I liked it.

Evil Twin, same thing. I liked the song for the most part. Some really lame lines like the "Forgetting Sarah Marshall (PALIN!). I didn't like the whole "LMFAO" part at the end of the second verse, but otherwise, it's a solid song. There's definitely some bright spots though. I just wish he edited out most of the lame lines that he uses, but a lot of rappers don't, so I can't really fault him too much on it.

 

Jun 21, 2016

i also loved his flow on dont front , it has this underground or idk how to explain it feeling to it , idk if you heard this song tho
another highlight to me was groundhog day

 

Jun 21, 2016

Conceptual writing (often used interchangeably with conceptual poetry) is a term which describes a range of experimental texts based on techniques such as appropriation (the "literary ready-made"), texts which may be reduced to a set of procedures, a generative instruction or constraint, a "concept" which precedes and is considered more important than the resulting text(s). As a category, it is closely related to conceptual art.

Theme is defined as a main idea or an underlying meaning of a literary work that may be stated directly or indirectly.

Tone is a literary compound of composition, which shows the attitudes toward the subject and toward the audience implied in a literary work. Tone may be formal, informal, intimate, solemn, somber, playful, serious, ironic, condescending, or many other possible attitudes.


Can't believe I have to do this. This is like basic stuff. Conceptual writing is basically something that breaks the norm or tradition. Like, Guilty Conscience, takes a story, but makes it into a concept. "2 of us will rap to an individual about the choices he can make in different scenarios" Not many songs are like this.

Stan is different because he's rapping as a fan, not himself. Bad Guy is different because he's rapping as Matthew, not himself. It's breaking the traditional way of writing songs from the first person perspective.

Just because 3AM raps about serial killing, does not make it a story telling song, nor a conceptual song. He is using a THEME and TONE to the song. There's nothing original about the perspective he's going with. It's not even a story.

Same Song and Dance is more of a story telling song than anything on Relapse, and even THAT is a stretch.

s---, 25 to Life on Recovery is a conceptual song, although it's a worn out concept (used by Common, and countless others). Just like Joe Budden's Pray For Me is a conceptual song, but it's already been done by DMX and Camron before.

 

Jun 21, 2016

@Fitzy in here schooling murfuckas. Agree with everything you've said.