Dec 11, 2020

i don't think 4:44 is bad per se but it's an unedited therapy-speak data dump. which is interesting at points! but i think of the production is thin and oj is the only thing that coheres into an actually compelling song. am i allowed to have that read on it or am i obligated to readjust what i think based on your (incorrect) belief that it is "universally considered great"?

 

Dec 11, 2020

Why are you acting like you’re the one getting shamed? You get paid for your takes, the hotter the better. Sry for challenging that?

 

Dec 11, 2020

lol no one is claiming to be "shamed" i just find it annoying that you ascribe people disagreeing with you to contrarianism rather than that just being their... opinion.

but in all honesty f--- you for saying my career is staked on hot takes, give me a break lol.

 

Dec 11, 2020

What you said was so stupid he must believe nobody can actually hold an opinion that garbage

 

Dec 11, 2020

 

Dec 11, 2020

Your opinion Is so nonsensical that nobody could mistake it for a serious response. It has nothing to do with my opinion.
As for the second part, this isn’t happening in a vacuum - you consistently have a snotty tone. I’m not the first to buck at you being glib about an album. And no, f--- You I work with my hands for a living. You can’t preach revolution for the working class while also being elitist due to your meaningless job designed to put capital in the hands of media companies at the expense of the artist. You are the bourgeoisie, Paul.

 

Dec 11, 2020

because i don't love 4:44? ok

not too stressed about you saying i "consistently have a snotty tone" when you consistently a. post your bizarre and deeply creepy research into the lives of board members or b. type like a conservative newspaper columnist's caricature of a rap fan

lmao... at the expense of the artist? how's that, big guy?

 

Dec 11, 2020

i can't believe i said i didn't like 4:44––the most bourgeois rap album of the decade?––and am being called the bourgeois for it lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

Dec 11, 2020

I don't agree with a lot of your opinions these days but this is on point(though k--- Jay-Z was decent)

Just a really bad album from my favorite rapper.

 

Dec 11, 2020

The difference here is the level of access. WPG is not the working class and yes I indirectly contribute to the bourgeois but that is what the proletariat does. Paul is an entirely different class and has a level of access and investment that I don’t have as a hand laborer

 

Dec 11, 2020

That’s not what you said which would have been less of a hot take and a much more reasonable opinion. You said “oj is the only good song”

 

Dec 11, 2020

Also if you think a black artist celebrating accomplishment in spite of a capitalist system that uses his people as a slave class (to this day) is bourgeois you don’t understand Marx at all.

 

Dec 11, 2020

looks like you severely misunderstand how our economy has changed

i think oj is the only truly good song on this album, which anecdotally is not that uncommon of an opinion, i'm sorry for not writing 1,000 words to justify that take during my initial post on this eminem forum

 

Dec 11, 2020

first of all, i think jay's thoughts on his success w/in capitalism are convoluted in a way that is more interesting than a didactic album whose politics i agree with more. but please calm down telling me that "yall still taking advances huh????" and "the jews don't waste money in strip clubs, dummy" aimed at artists w less money than him is, like, class consciousness lol.

 

Dec 11, 2020

ok ive been sitting on the sidelines during this essential discussion of words.... but wasnt this line part of a larger argument about like, generational wealth in the black community? not artists specific. i remember this (vaguely antisemitic) lyric specifically bc like..its not true (anecdotally heh)

 

Dec 11, 2020

well the "advances" part is definitely about artists

 

Dec 11, 2020

you’re right you being paid by faceless corporations to go go karting with famous rappers for three times the money I make is the same as my hands bleeding in the soil for scraps of the millions the WASPs I work for Have is class equivalence

 

Dec 11, 2020

Considering One of the few ways Black people have been able to enter the class that gives them a voice is through the entertainment industry where they are still largely a slave class to white executives then of course this line is aimed at artists. Jay Z is advocating for improved financial security for a historically repressed group of people